Changes for scandals

[Natasliah]

there was an update some months ago cuz there was to much hiding in while in scandals and which is what makes scandals boring,

during this time it got changed so you where no longer able to stealth your studio members
sabotage and kidnaps got a higher cost and based on the casters level aswell as they in generaly give less hospital
at the same time medication got a higher price

i guess this is all good changes but it dose not really change that people hide in scandals anyway they just use more money to do so and gift/pay friends in other studios to do it for them

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what i think would make scandal much more fun and a lot more play able and to prevent people from hiding is if

1. you'r unable to attack unbeatable bots like Fedjail and Al Zahad

2. make people unable to get attack immune by consciously loss a fight and then be free to attack anyone while running around with 1 health for the next 5 min (to change this would be rather easy to set a minimum health for attach to 10%)

3. a fixed number on how many times each person either can be kidnapped or kidnap per day or maybe event both, i think normaly in real most kidnap'ed people only get kidnapped once per day :p

4. make it either so you cant gangbang stealth people in scandals or that people can be stealth'ed more then once giving the other side a chance to get that baby away from the battlefield

5. maybe lower the hospital times while under the effect of a scandal making all targets open more often

6. maybe add a function to hire an unlicenced doctor to randomly cure % of the target or possibly make the injury worse and make them get even longer hospital (can be both for scandals and outside, soft of a sabotage but gose the other way)

[Acacia]

I agree with most of the issues Natasliah posted.

The changes in december and before did not lead to more scandals. And the members in the scandals are not more active it mainly requires more organisation. So the changes could lead to more (active) scandals).

However the proposed changes will make it more difficult for smaller studios. I think it would be good to have some kind of protection for lower level studios or better studios with lower PAD. Maybe limit the total amount of fame that can be taken from the other studio based on the level/stats difference of the studios?
Say studio A has 10 mio stats and studio B 5 mio ... studio A can gain max 500 fame from B but B can get max 1000 fame from A.

Another improvement would be that 2 studios that scandalled each other cannot scandal again for 1 month.

[Natasliah]

uhm... its not really that much change to what its not just making people not able to attack unbeatable bots for hiding
and make strong players abuse the function of getting to 1 health and then attack everyone less strong then they are
other fixes like limited kidnaps are that your not suppose to keep your offline members out of play forever, making people have the need to be more active and come online to crash flights in order to hide rather then having people kidnap them for hours

people can still hide by attacking the normal bots of other members with the risk of winning the fight

and to increase the number of stealths well if someone is gangbanged you have to wait for the time and then stabb them and then pretty much most of the day allready passed,
also ross himself posted in an earlier post that he thought of making unlimited stealths in scandals

i think both time limit, steangth limit, level limits and fame limits are quite wrong to put up, you work hard to get strong and higher level dont you? then your not supose to be able to attack others but they can attack anyone?

[Dictator]

Hmm most ideas posted here, seem to take away the ability to defend in a scandal. A lot of the proposals would mean that weaker people would be open to attacks from stronger people, and while i do recognize that you shouldn't be in a scandalous studio if you're too weak, i also recognize that it would give the top players free range and i don't think that's a good idea.

[Natasliah]

no not really dictator
if you remove the bots that not really that big deal people can still loss to other players as i allready said
setting a 10% health limit on attacks wont matter to weaker player it actually would just help them, then stronger players cant go around attacking them while they cant be attacked,
you can still easy defend with crashing plains / getting stealthed or kidnap by friends i just suggested limits to it when you have to organizize more and use the crashes while online/about to go offline and keep the k&t to when the person sleeps

with endless k&t scandals are quite boring and useless since you can k&t someone much faster then you can attack someone, its just easy to have the prostutation for the person your going to k&t open and the second they come out of hospital just click on the kidnap buttom

i agree that the unlicensed doctor and maybe lower the hospital times may result in weaker gets slauthered by the stronger people tho but thats more a thought for scandals to go faster, as i see it most people/scandals has a goal to earn a number of fame and then end the scandal so the faster that would go by the less anyone would suffer

[Acacia]

Hmm most ideas posted here, seem to take away the ability to defend in a scandal. A lot of the proposals would mean that weaker people would be open to attacks from stronger people, and while i do recognize that you shouldn't be in a scandalous studio if you're too weak, i also recognize that it would give the top players free range and i don't think that's a good idea.

I do not agree with you. Nata is correct. The shotgun use at lower levels is a disaster combined with up to 5 mins of unprohibited attacks. For stronger people the option of hiding behind a surrender while they can attack everyone is too easy. With the shotgun 1 successful hit i s enough to kill almost anyone - only very strong or very high level people can withstand an attack with a shotgun.

If you take away the posibility to attack in that situation it will still be able to hide but not to attack.

Not sure if it will improve the number of scandalous studios though.

[Dictator]

@Acacia: I don't see Natasliah mentioning the effects of a shotgun anywhere, let's stay on topic.

Back to the orginal post:

1. If it's not a big deal, why remove it? Fedjail and Al Zahad are a way for players to lose and do the things they want to do, like collecting from hoes, or buy them some time to take that crash. Most people lose to those bots as a defensive measure and they don't give that much hosp time anyway.

2. Again, this can be used as a tactic when you're under attack. You are both from the same studio, with a legend in it that can't be attacked. This is a way to counter that.

3. Limit the number of times a person can do a k&t, no objection, but it just means that you have to find more willing people to kidnap you, if you want to be in hosp. Limit the number of times a person can be kidnapped - means taking away a defensive tactic for weaker players.

4. Getting pregnant is also a defensive tactic, in order to get weaker players out of range. You can undo that the next reset, if you want.

5&6 are both in favour of the stronger players.

What the both of you aren't taking into account, is that you can't force people to fight if they don't want to. And there should be ways to take yourself out of the battle, people can't be online 24/7, or people simply don't stand a chance against their attackers. As long as the top studios with the top players can jump on any studio, there won't be many new scandalous studios coming, i think. I'd rather see the studio list divided in leagues, meaning the top league can't attack studios besides the ones in that same league and the weakest studios can fight amongst themselves without being afraid of getting jumped on by the big studios.

[Acacia]

@Acacia: I don't see Natasliah mentioning the effects of a shotgun anywhere, let's stay on topic.


This is part of the topic. If you have 1 health you can only attack if you have a reasonable chance to kill soemone in 1 hit. If you need 2 hits the chance is high that you get killed in the action.
The shotgun does provide that opportunity.

[Psyche]

To make scandals more enjoyable for everyone, in my opinion is to have variable fame point gain like exp gain from bitchslapping.
If a level 100 attacks a level 100 they get full fame points.
A level 100 attacks a level 50 they get half, if they go any lower 0 points.
A level 100 attacks a level 200, they get double fame points.
this way, players will attack other player of the same caliber.
new players will attack other new players.
veterans will attack other veterans.
This will stop or at least lessen the hiding during scandals, which is your main gripe.

[Natasliah]

no thats the same crap as having that level range cap that was before whats the point of leveling then? why not just stay low level and train train train none of the new member in your level will ever be able to beat you then aswell as higher members will have a pain to get you since they used money on getting higher level

if there should be any cap like that set it to the plays age meaning there game age someone played 400 days have had the same time to get strong and any other thats 400 days old

[Psyche]

I have no problem with using age as an indicator, but in my opinion if you can't back up your level with stats, you don't deserve your level. High level can always hide in high level cities anyway. If players want to level hold, that is ok as well, as they will be sacrificing all the advantages of being high level for being able to attack noobs.

[Natasliah]

well i where mostly focusing on the cheap tactics like hunting down everyone while your immune to attacks at 1 health and seems from other posts ross dont like the cheaps tactics that much either from post suchs as this (http://www.viva-ponata.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2854&postcount=3) i just pointed some of them out and ways to make it better and more fun but lets just forget it since clearly two of the staffs likes this option and seem to think i want to remove it to abuse scandals with my studio

well i've kinda quitted anyway so i guess it dose not matter for me anymore

[Natasliah]

@Acacia: I don't see Natasliah mentioning the effects of a shotgun anywhere, let's stay on topic.

Back to the orginal post:

1. If it's not a big deal, why remove it? Fedjail and Al Zahad are a way for players to lose and do the things they want to do, like collecting from hoes, or buy them some time to take that crash. Most people lose to those bots as a defensive measure and they don't give that much hosp time anyway.
cuz they are not players, they are event bots, they are not even real bots like the others since they are unbeatable, why cant we attack the admin? cuz hes no player so why can we attack this once that are not players either? they are legend bots they slap anyone that wins there rocket launchers or is the one that keeps all the crimenals in jail how come legends cant be attacked while legend bots can? how come the staff removed them from hit list if they are a part of the game? let them stay on the hit list then untill someone beats them


2. Again, this can be used as a tactic when you're under attack. You are both from the same studio, with a legend in it that can't be attacked. This is a way to counter that.
i see, your thinking its becuz of that, thats not true at all but you can think what you want tator, but so its fair anyone can gain the rank for a legend by just losse a fight to a bot and then he/she is free to do whatever? while its meant to be that you actually should do the effort and work to reach to top to become a legend and immune to attacks,
well seems like the staffs spoken and likes the cheap ways lets all go immune fighting in scandals and we'll see how well that gose :bashhead:

3. Limit the number of times a person can do a k&t, no objection, but it just means that you have to find more willing people to kidnap you, if you want to be in hosp. Limit the number of times a person can be kidnapped - means taking away a defensive tactic for weaker players. well its just suggenstions, lets say someone can only do 5 kidnaps per day total yes you would have to find a lot more people to help you and that might be very hard and sometimes, and people are not supose to defend forever then they can just aswell take the attack and get the scandal over with



What the both of you aren't taking into account, is that you can't force people to fight if they don't want to. And there should be ways to take yourself out of the battle, people can't be online 24/7, or people simply don't stand a chance against their attackers. As long as the top studios with the top players can jump on any studio, there won't be many new scandalous studios coming, i think. I'd rather see the studio list divided in leagues, meaning the top league can't attack studios besides the ones in that same league and the weakest studios can fight amongst themselves without being afraid of getting jumped on by the big studios.

there are ways of taking yourself out of battles 99% you can as the attackers they usually have a goal and will end as soon as there goal is made
and if people don't want to fight why are they in scandal studios? to get more money you will say well then they taken the chance and open themself to be scandaled, fame done even matter that much as all for movies and money and most studios has more morale then to go and scandal an other till its gone
if they don't want to fight simply just roll over and it will be over soon enough
i belive you will save a whole lot more money on that then to try to hide by k&t each others 24/7

sure its more fun when the other studio fights back and thats what you hope for when you go into battle with them to actually have some fun or we all just train to do nothing at all? i think you got some singel player games or other things for that im quite sure this game where made that you where supose to fight each others at some time

what i dont like is unfairness and cheap play just as that hiding behind 1 health and attack and the bot slapping, the items panties and herpes was made for this use them as your supose to, why dose this items excists if you can just go touch a bot to gain the same effect but a very much cheaper cost?

[Acacia]

Well maybe the new perks will make some changes, the legend is not immune anymore :) And some other perks could be intersting.

I agree with dictator that you cannot expect people to play 24/7 but it is still too easy to keep them in hosp all the time. K&T is at least 1 click less than an attack so there is always an advantage in that. The current setup still promotes small scandalous studios - beacuse they are easier to protect.
If people want to earn money by being scandalous that is fine but if there is almost no risk than its cheap money.

An improvement for the 1 health option is to prevent people from travelling while they have 1 health... seems like a logical option; really sick people cannot travel, while a dying man can fire a last shot :) So maybe limit the number of attacks to 1 during immunity is also a nice option.

@Psyche - sure stats are very important but with the shotgun available at a low level at lot of people can kill with 1 hit even if they are a lot less strong. That upsets the balance. You can counter that with level and stats but that is relatively expensive compared to buying a shot gun.

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[Natasliah]

yea well another huge problem with the 1 health attack is people with about equal strength like most are when someone has attacked you you just med out and hit them right back with 1 health
this is 90% of why people after attacked someone instantly hides by attacking a bot

[BigJoe]

A note about the 1-hit with a shotgun.

This is a TEMPORARY issue. Yes, weak players can buy shotguns and beat stronger players, but over time that advantage disappears. Stats will always go up, but the strength of the shotgun will always stay the same.

People will move up to the stronger weapons and same argument will resurface, but like the shotgun, it will be temporary. Stronger stats will eventually prevail.

[Dictator]

well seems like the staffs spoken and likes the cheap ways lets all go immune fighting in scandals and we'll see how well that gose


That's a rather ignorant comment, what's next, name-calling? A discussion should be about trying to get your points across, not trying to ridicule someone, that usually means you are either losing the discussion or taking it too personal.

[Natasliah]

dear tator i allready admitted defeat, i might take some things to personal but you myfriend dose that aswell

but honestly im quite disappointed that its only the staffs that seems to read and post on the forum now days, i know i have not posted on the forum for months myself cuz last time i did that people seemed to take fun into posting "your wrong" at me all the time even tho i wasn't, and that followed me to ingame mails and studios chats which got quite annoying after a while and i stopped post on the forum and directly gave my proposals and sugestions to ross himself
but due to im not able to really use the game mail and i wanted to see other peoples thought in this matter i made a post of my thoughts and ideas

i dont think its wrong of me to speak my mind, and whatever you say this tactic of attacking with 1 health is a cheap tactic and wrong

[Ross]

what i dont like is unfairness and cheap play just as that hiding behind 1 health and attack and the bot slapping, the items panties and herpes was made for this use them as your supose to, why dose this items excists if you can just go touch a bot to gain the same effect but a very much cheaper cost?

This a good point, in fact, if you want to attack with one health you should use the proper items (like panties) or just lose in a fair fight against a reasonable opponent (not against an insta-pwnage machine :rocketlauncher: like [2] or [12]). This will be fixed asap.

[jessiebelle]

but honestly im quite disappointed that its only the staffs that seems to read and post on the forum now days

I'm not staff and I still post in the forum when I have something to say. :p

I still think the best solution to seeing more scandalous studios and perhaps more scandals would simply be to raise the minimum number of members required to have a scandalous studio raised from 5 to 20 or 25.

This would not only make it so you can't have a small studio of super strong players terrorizing all the other studios and it will give weaker players who want to be in a scandalous studio but can't the opportunity to do so.

Or you could go one step further to make things interesting and say that a scandal can't be started by a studio president unless every member of their studio is online and at full health without being in Jail or the Hospital. This would prevent a top studio that is sitting on any old applications from level 5 players that quit the game from adding them just to meet the requirements so they can start a scandal then kick them as soon as the scandal ends.

But I don't agree with taking away tactical advantages whether they be offensive or defensive which are used in a scandal. I also don't like the idea of this studio can only attack these studios because they are all in the same league as one another or the this studio can only take X fame from this studio because scandals are started for a reason, yes most often it is to gain X fame but there are those instances when the object is the destruction of the other studio which wouldn't be possible with these style of limitations.

[Natasliah]

well i've allways agreed with you jessie the scandal studios requirment should be highered from 10 to 15-25 atleast any studio with less members automaticly switch to peaceful whichevery they want it or not and if it was automaticly changed they will have to pay the double cost to become scandalous again since they didn't pay the fee for going peaceful

this will kinda force strong studios to take in some weaker members aswell giving other studios more chance in defending towards them in a scandal aswell as it will cost everyone more to defend there offliners and leaving more fight :addictedgamer: